You get on a train to Boston, settle the family down for a 1 hour journey as other people take their seats, and then the nearest passenger makes a comment about the number of your kids and that they are all boys. Now this is not unusual really, it happens to us everywhere. Yet this time the man in question was up for a conversation that would last for the rest of the trip.
Him: “Four boys eh? Good on you, I had four boys too. We also had three girls.”
Me: “Wow that must have been a handful”
Him: “Yes and no, they were spread over 20 years, we were married young. Now we have 23 grand kids and 9 great grand kids.”
Me: “Gee how do you remember all their names and birthdays?”
Him: “Oh, you get used to it, though we spend most of the year travelling round the country to family events. Hey where are you from?”
Me: “Australia”
Him: “That’s great, the first Australian I met was when a guy called Marcus Loane came and preached at our Church, he was fantastic!”
After I picked my jaw off the floor and glanced at Karen who was guffawing beside me, I shook his hand and made introductions.
A thorough-going Calvinist, graciously spoken and widely read, he also had recently heard David Short (an Aussie preacher in Canada) preach and loved him. He then told me the tale of what it was like for the average pew-sitter watching the US Episcopal Church coming apart and what had been happening in relation to Rome and numerous other machinations of the Anglican Communion in this part of the world. Absolutely fascinating!
An hour later we were all greatly encouraged and spurred on to follow the Lord – incredible who you meet on a Boston bound train.
Michael
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Thursday, April 7, 2011
Sunday, April 3, 2011
No Holiday from Jesus - Part 6
Tonight we finished reading our bedtime story - Pilgrim’s Progress. Finishing a book is always a bitter-sweet moment. Sweet because the climax has been reached and everything to know is now known. Bitter because a wonderful journey has now finished and there is no more to come.
However the entire experience has been a sweet one from start to finish. Every night the boys have asked for more when I closed the book. Every night they have greeted the time with enthusiasm and joy. Every night at least one has remembered what has come before and each has helped remind the others where we are up to. Every night probing spiritual questions have been pondered and glorious reflections of God’s grace have been revealed. Every night they have lamented the struggles of believers, the fall of unbelievers and have rejoiced at every good decision the pilgrims have made. Every night we have considered our blessed place in God’s family and been greatly thankful of his unmerited kindness to us as his children. Every night the prayers have been heartfelt and the following sleep has been peaceful.
What a privilege it is to walk the walk with great ones of the faith like John Bunyan and to share these glorious things with our sons. Bunyan has indeed been the teacher of Matthew 13:52, showing us spiritual treasures new and old with every page we have devoured together. What a joy this has been and yet the journey is not complete. If the Lord should tarry, there are many years to come in which we will be called upon to disciple our Sons, not exasperating them, but bringing them up in the training and instruction of the Lord (Eph 6:4). May he bless all those days as he has blessed these ones, and when they are dry and difficult, may the remembrance of these days give us courage for the task once more.
Michael
A Palace Beautiful
For the uninitiated, the Palace Beautiful is one of the places described in John Bunyan’s “A Pilgrim’s Progress” where some of the pilgrims stop to rest and are greatly refreshed. Not all stop here, for not all are called to be members of every church that God has established. Yet there are some times in our Christian walk when we are privileged to stop for a time at such a gathering of believers and to be refreshed and re-envisioned once more. It was my privilege to stop at just such a Palace Beautiful whilst in Washington D.C.
Capitol Hill Baptist Church was not always such an encouraging God focussed Church and sin being what it is amongst us humans it may not remain such a place till Christ’s return. But for now, at least for the time that I was there, God made it such a respite for my tired Christian heart that I can have nothing but praise for Him who has made such a gathering for me and others to be so nurtured and spurred on in our Christian walk.
I was there from Thursday afternoon through to Monday morning, visiting with 100 other ministers for a “Weekender” (essentially a guided tour and a fly-on-the-wall view of an 800+ member Church in action). During this time I was billeted at a member’s home and then together with the other ministers attended closed pastoral & member’s meetings, open Church services & teaching seminars, specialised exposés of the inner workings of the staff and life of the Church, and had countless hours and opportunities to question them on what they do, why they do it, and what are the results. During this time the staff and members of CHBC showered us with food, books and Christian hospitality. Their desire was to comfort and bless other Churches with what God has comforted and blessed them (2 Cor 1:4), to urge us to follow them only in-so-far-as they are following Christ (1 Cor 11:1) and asked our forgiveness and patience for all errors we might find along the way.
In all my experience as a Christian I have never yet been amongst such a large group of Christians who were seeking so transparently, earnestly, humbly & honestly to follow Christ in unity together. I commented on this to one of the leaders at the end of the 5 days, adding that I had expected such good Christian behaviour from the leadership, but that I had seen it amongst the body of believers where ever I went. Firstly he was greatly surprised by my report for he knows his own sin and the sin of many others. Second, his response was a tearful request for me to pray for them, for if this is indeed true in any measure at all, then it needs to continue and to deepen and they must never stop striving to live to the praise of God and that they must remain teachable for all errors that are present now and will arise later. Such a heartfelt humble response is proof of the pudding. Strive to live for God’s glory and a holy & godly life will be the result. And when a whole Church full of people are transparently helping each other to do it together … then a holy & godly Church is the result.
Not only was I amazed by such an experience of God’s grace in his Church, I was spurred on to continue my own place in that same race – not to try and remain there at this Palace Beautiful called CHBC – but to take all I have learned and then strive longer to make God’s palace in Shellharbour City beautiful also, beginning with me and my own family; with God as my helper.
And what did I learn through all this? Actually nothing new at all in terms of technique or professional churchmanship, rather I was reminded that the right things done the right way over a long period of time are still right, irrelevant of how hard it feels or what results are seen. This dovetails well with a comment that impacted me, which came from one of the older members, “A young man always overestimates what can be achieved in a short period of time and underestimates what can be achieved over a long period.” Godly perseverance is the order of the day leaving the results to Him who is over all and through all in all.
To God be the glory for all he has shown me at this palace beautiful.
Michael
Capitol Hill Baptist Church was not always such an encouraging God focussed Church and sin being what it is amongst us humans it may not remain such a place till Christ’s return. But for now, at least for the time that I was there, God made it such a respite for my tired Christian heart that I can have nothing but praise for Him who has made such a gathering for me and others to be so nurtured and spurred on in our Christian walk.
I was there from Thursday afternoon through to Monday morning, visiting with 100 other ministers for a “Weekender” (essentially a guided tour and a fly-on-the-wall view of an 800+ member Church in action). During this time I was billeted at a member’s home and then together with the other ministers attended closed pastoral & member’s meetings, open Church services & teaching seminars, specialised exposés of the inner workings of the staff and life of the Church, and had countless hours and opportunities to question them on what they do, why they do it, and what are the results. During this time the staff and members of CHBC showered us with food, books and Christian hospitality. Their desire was to comfort and bless other Churches with what God has comforted and blessed them (2 Cor 1:4), to urge us to follow them only in-so-far-as they are following Christ (1 Cor 11:1) and asked our forgiveness and patience for all errors we might find along the way.
In all my experience as a Christian I have never yet been amongst such a large group of Christians who were seeking so transparently, earnestly, humbly & honestly to follow Christ in unity together. I commented on this to one of the leaders at the end of the 5 days, adding that I had expected such good Christian behaviour from the leadership, but that I had seen it amongst the body of believers where ever I went. Firstly he was greatly surprised by my report for he knows his own sin and the sin of many others. Second, his response was a tearful request for me to pray for them, for if this is indeed true in any measure at all, then it needs to continue and to deepen and they must never stop striving to live to the praise of God and that they must remain teachable for all errors that are present now and will arise later. Such a heartfelt humble response is proof of the pudding. Strive to live for God’s glory and a holy & godly life will be the result. And when a whole Church full of people are transparently helping each other to do it together … then a holy & godly Church is the result.
Not only was I amazed by such an experience of God’s grace in his Church, I was spurred on to continue my own place in that same race – not to try and remain there at this Palace Beautiful called CHBC – but to take all I have learned and then strive longer to make God’s palace in Shellharbour City beautiful also, beginning with me and my own family; with God as my helper.
And what did I learn through all this? Actually nothing new at all in terms of technique or professional churchmanship, rather I was reminded that the right things done the right way over a long period of time are still right, irrelevant of how hard it feels or what results are seen. This dovetails well with a comment that impacted me, which came from one of the older members, “A young man always overestimates what can be achieved in a short period of time and underestimates what can be achieved over a long period.” Godly perseverance is the order of the day leaving the results to Him who is over all and through all in all.
To God be the glory for all he has shown me at this palace beautiful.
Michael
Thursday, March 17, 2011
No Holiday from Jesus - Part 5
“Hey Dad, I don’t like all this Disney make a wish and dream come true stuff. It’s just not true.“
So far the Christian world view filter is still switched to the on position.
1 John 2:15-17.
It was really great to enjoy Disney but if this is the best the world can be then we conclude that it is not good enough. Without a doubt it is the most amazing things we’ve ever seen or done, its fun, fascinating, hilarious, amazing, fabulous to the smell, taste, touch, eyes and ears, I even got quite teary as we entered the main gate on the first day I was so excited to finally be here after so many years of planning and dreaming.
Yet as good as it all is, it is not a scratch on the love of Jesus who loves without measure and who never stops giving. Jesus doesn’t tell you where to stand or make you queue for favors or charge you mega bucks or attempt to program you with magic mantra or send you away at the end of the day to fend for yourself in the cold and the crowds.
It really would be easy to fall in love with the world if you don’t know Jesus.
Praise God that we do know him 1 John 3:16-24.
Michael
So far the Christian world view filter is still switched to the on position.
1 John 2:15-17.
It was really great to enjoy Disney but if this is the best the world can be then we conclude that it is not good enough. Without a doubt it is the most amazing things we’ve ever seen or done, its fun, fascinating, hilarious, amazing, fabulous to the smell, taste, touch, eyes and ears, I even got quite teary as we entered the main gate on the first day I was so excited to finally be here after so many years of planning and dreaming.
Yet as good as it all is, it is not a scratch on the love of Jesus who loves without measure and who never stops giving. Jesus doesn’t tell you where to stand or make you queue for favors or charge you mega bucks or attempt to program you with magic mantra or send you away at the end of the day to fend for yourself in the cold and the crowds.
It really would be easy to fall in love with the world if you don’t know Jesus.
Praise God that we do know him 1 John 3:16-24.
Michael
The Great Commission - Part III
American Christianity is everywhere!
In driving through the small towns we never see less than 3 Churches and often more than 6 in villages no bigger than Bawley Point. In the South the Baptists are prolific with often up to 4 different Baptist Churches within a town. The Lutherans are also very strong here and all Churches seem to have a conspicuous building with a double sided changeable sign out front.
The shops are similar. At every grocery store we go to (or Chemist or Department Store) there is a book section. The Christian books dominate up to ½ of the books available every time, Bibles too, heaps of them; and they are all astoundingly cheap!
Then there are the street Evangelists. While they are not everywhere, they are certainly present and never too far away. Sometimes they are loud and oblivious to how others are receiving them, other times they are quite subtle, handing out tracts or having quiet conversations with any who pause to listen.
In Washington D.C. we were greatly encouraged when we left a Chemist to find a man in a wheel chair urging another to place his hope in Jesus as there was no other way that a man of flesh could enter the Kingdom of God. It was a glorious testimony to his faith in nothing of this world. We look forward to meeting that man in heaven.
Highway Billboards regularly urge us to repent before the judgement day or exhort us with various Scriptures like John 3:3. It is no bad thing to be kept on our toes.
Michael
In driving through the small towns we never see less than 3 Churches and often more than 6 in villages no bigger than Bawley Point. In the South the Baptists are prolific with often up to 4 different Baptist Churches within a town. The Lutherans are also very strong here and all Churches seem to have a conspicuous building with a double sided changeable sign out front.
The shops are similar. At every grocery store we go to (or Chemist or Department Store) there is a book section. The Christian books dominate up to ½ of the books available every time, Bibles too, heaps of them; and they are all astoundingly cheap!
Then there are the street Evangelists. While they are not everywhere, they are certainly present and never too far away. Sometimes they are loud and oblivious to how others are receiving them, other times they are quite subtle, handing out tracts or having quiet conversations with any who pause to listen.
In Washington D.C. we were greatly encouraged when we left a Chemist to find a man in a wheel chair urging another to place his hope in Jesus as there was no other way that a man of flesh could enter the Kingdom of God. It was a glorious testimony to his faith in nothing of this world. We look forward to meeting that man in heaven.
Highway Billboards regularly urge us to repent before the judgement day or exhort us with various Scriptures like John 3:3. It is no bad thing to be kept on our toes.
Michael
Saturday, February 19, 2011
No Holiday from Jesus - Part 4
Our first Sunday in the USA.
After the disasters of the previous day attempting to navigate, we decided the safest bet was to stay home and do “Family Church” rather than try and find one anywhere locally. This has often been our pattern when we’re on holidays and it has come to be highly favored by the boys when we’re missing out on our home Church.
It was a little lacking without the crayons, butchers paper, lego modeling and drama we’d normally resort to, but it was rich none-the-less. We sang Colin Buchanan’s version of the Fruits of the Spirit making up our own sound effects using toys purchased the previous day. Then followed 3 rounds of arrow prayers 1. thanking God for things 2. saying sorry for things and 3. praying for one another in which fruit of the spirit we wanted to do better with. We began our John Life For Kids devotions and read John 1:1-18 and marveled at many things: Jesus’ identity in the first 3 verses as wonderfully revealed as Aidan did a terrific job of replacing “the Word” and “him” in the first 3 verses with “Jesus” right on cue, God revealing himself in the person of his Son was delved into and finally the wonder of his promise in verse 12 was gratefully received.
How good it is to share the majesty of God with one another as we meet around his word in two’s and three’s.
Next Sunday we’ll be visiting a Lutheran Church with some old friends out near Cape Canaveral.
Michael
After the disasters of the previous day attempting to navigate, we decided the safest bet was to stay home and do “Family Church” rather than try and find one anywhere locally. This has often been our pattern when we’re on holidays and it has come to be highly favored by the boys when we’re missing out on our home Church.
It was a little lacking without the crayons, butchers paper, lego modeling and drama we’d normally resort to, but it was rich none-the-less. We sang Colin Buchanan’s version of the Fruits of the Spirit making up our own sound effects using toys purchased the previous day. Then followed 3 rounds of arrow prayers 1. thanking God for things 2. saying sorry for things and 3. praying for one another in which fruit of the spirit we wanted to do better with. We began our John Life For Kids devotions and read John 1:1-18 and marveled at many things: Jesus’ identity in the first 3 verses as wonderfully revealed as Aidan did a terrific job of replacing “the Word” and “him” in the first 3 verses with “Jesus” right on cue, God revealing himself in the person of his Son was delved into and finally the wonder of his promise in verse 12 was gratefully received.
How good it is to share the majesty of God with one another as we meet around his word in two’s and three’s.
Next Sunday we’ll be visiting a Lutheran Church with some old friends out near Cape Canaveral.
Michael
The Great Commission - Part III
Paul the BMX rider.
I sat with Paul on the flight from L.A. to Orlando. Paul is 16 and was on his way to compete in the BMX Nationals. He is prepping his run for the Olympics in 8 years time. After the usual life story chat it became fairly clear that he was not a Christian. Two things gave this away – 1. He answered all of my questions about him and asked nothing in return (a person entirely disinterested in anyone other than themselves is rarely Christian). However the clincher was 2. I asked him about the origin of his name – “Is Paul a family name or were you named after that famous man Paul in the Bible?” A family name it was and he’d never heard of Paul in the Bible. "Really?! well let me tell you about him." I then prayed constantly as I retold a brief synopsis of Paul’s life but sadly BMX Paul was not following. My final effort was to open the Bible to Romans and read it slowly in a position that he could easily see on my tray table (real close on an aeroplane considering I could read another guy's book who was on the other side of Paul). In the end he was steadfastly cold and merely grunted at our parting when I suggested he look into Paul in the Bible some time. Was a seed sown that will bear fruit 30, 60 or 100 times what was sown? We'll know in heaven, my prayer is that it was not snatched away.
Please pray for me Colossians 4:2-6.
By the way, we also met a lady called Kerry and her family. Kerry is a volunteer worship leader in a little church plant in Daytona. We had seen her perform the previous day at the American Idol Experience in Hollywood Studios. On this day we found her in a long queue at Epcot and said gidday. It was really great to meet fellow Christians who wanted to talk about our common faith and spur one another on to obey Jesus.
Michael
I sat with Paul on the flight from L.A. to Orlando. Paul is 16 and was on his way to compete in the BMX Nationals. He is prepping his run for the Olympics in 8 years time. After the usual life story chat it became fairly clear that he was not a Christian. Two things gave this away – 1. He answered all of my questions about him and asked nothing in return (a person entirely disinterested in anyone other than themselves is rarely Christian). However the clincher was 2. I asked him about the origin of his name – “Is Paul a family name or were you named after that famous man Paul in the Bible?” A family name it was and he’d never heard of Paul in the Bible. "Really?! well let me tell you about him." I then prayed constantly as I retold a brief synopsis of Paul’s life but sadly BMX Paul was not following. My final effort was to open the Bible to Romans and read it slowly in a position that he could easily see on my tray table (real close on an aeroplane considering I could read another guy's book who was on the other side of Paul). In the end he was steadfastly cold and merely grunted at our parting when I suggested he look into Paul in the Bible some time. Was a seed sown that will bear fruit 30, 60 or 100 times what was sown? We'll know in heaven, my prayer is that it was not snatched away.
Please pray for me Colossians 4:2-6.
By the way, we also met a lady called Kerry and her family. Kerry is a volunteer worship leader in a little church plant in Daytona. We had seen her perform the previous day at the American Idol Experience in Hollywood Studios. On this day we found her in a long queue at Epcot and said gidday. It was really great to meet fellow Christians who wanted to talk about our common faith and spur one another on to obey Jesus.
Michael
Monday, February 14, 2011
No Holiday from - Part 3
STOP THE PRESS!
We’ve just arrived back from our first proper food shopping trip and we can’t believe what we found next to the Deli counter in between the fruits and the breads - there was this tiny rotating stand of all sorts of books. Whilst having a curiosity look, we found a … we still can’t believe it … a Bible! In a supermarket! Unbelievable! Yet even better than that (better because we are already travelling with 6 Bibles) there was a copy of “The Pilgrim’s Progress” by John Bunyan - amazing.
Our excitement was for two reasons:
1. you can buy Bibles and fantastic Christian literature in a supermarket
2. because I had failed to pack an easy read copy of Pilgrim and we were going to have to use my Olde English Version on the laptop instead; fine for me and Karen but not so great for the boys. A Pilgrim’s Progress is our planned story book reading, out loud each night, once we pick up the RV.
The greatest travel story of all time will be perfect for a travelling family desiring no holiday from Jesus.
Michael
We’ve just arrived back from our first proper food shopping trip and we can’t believe what we found next to the Deli counter in between the fruits and the breads - there was this tiny rotating stand of all sorts of books. Whilst having a curiosity look, we found a … we still can’t believe it … a Bible! In a supermarket! Unbelievable! Yet even better than that (better because we are already travelling with 6 Bibles) there was a copy of “The Pilgrim’s Progress” by John Bunyan - amazing.
Our excitement was for two reasons:
1. you can buy Bibles and fantastic Christian literature in a supermarket
2. because I had failed to pack an easy read copy of Pilgrim and we were going to have to use my Olde English Version on the laptop instead; fine for me and Karen but not so great for the boys. A Pilgrim’s Progress is our planned story book reading, out loud each night, once we pick up the RV.
The greatest travel story of all time will be perfect for a travelling family desiring no holiday from Jesus.
Michael
No Holiday from Jesus - Part 2
Is it possible to stick with Jesus on holiday?
We know that he will never leave or forsake us and man cannot hurt us (Hebrews 13:5-6), but what will we do to ensure that we remain in him (John 15:1-11)?
In the general run of daily life there are always be lots of settings where teaching one another to obey Jesus’ commands is very appropriate – at the dinner table with manners, in public with consideration of other travelers, the fruits of the Spirit in the queue at Disney World (what are they again?), talking to strangers about Jesus, not coveting other people and possessions, avoiding self pity when uncomfortable on the airplane, in the car, in the queue, etc. etc.
We know that he will never leave or forsake us and man cannot hurt us (Hebrews 13:5-6), but what will we do to ensure that we remain in him (John 15:1-11)?
In the general run of daily life there are always be lots of settings where teaching one another to obey Jesus’ commands is very appropriate – at the dinner table with manners, in public with consideration of other travelers, the fruits of the Spirit in the queue at Disney World (what are they again?), talking to strangers about Jesus, not coveting other people and possessions, avoiding self pity when uncomfortable on the airplane, in the car, in the queue, etc. etc.
However, along with these incidental teaching moments that come up every few seconds, every day without warning, we are also planning to teach the commands of Jesus to one another and pray for one another’s obedience as we travel in a structured way as a family together (separate to our normal Christian routines).
To do this our plan is to focus on one book of the Bible together and get to know it really well through reading it, talking about it, praying through it, and using a family devotional book to help us. We will start on the first Sunday and go on from there. The book we’ve chosen is John’s Gospel and the devotional guide is called, “Life 4 Kids: Reading John’s Gospel Together”. Our hope is that we will return with many wonderful memories as a family from the trip and central to them all will be our growth as obedient disciples through John’s Gospel.
Michael
Sunday, February 13, 2011
No Holiday from Jesus - Part 1
Having a holiday at any time is usually a real challenge to our Christian walk, a holiday this long … hmmm! We’re out of routine, nothing is quite the same, and every excuse in the world not to pray or read our Bibles or to meet with other Christians … and with no accountability, no one would ever know. When we return no one will ask about that anyway, all the holiday stories are far more intriguing than a story about how we went with Jesus. The spiritual danger we’ve potentially put ourselves in is significant.
On the other hand there is a great opportunity before us in this same area: Family time with no one else around to disturb our discipling of one another; & what about all those times in the Bible when God pulled his people aside from the normal situations of life, for a significant period of time, to teach them knew things about following him (Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses and their families; individuals like Samuel, David, Elijah; the nation of Israel on numerous occasions; Jesus and the disciples always heading off on wilderness expeditions with teaching in mind; Paul & John just to name a few)!
So then, which will it be for us?
A holiday from Jesus … or … a holiday full of Jesus?
Michael
On the other hand there is a great opportunity before us in this same area: Family time with no one else around to disturb our discipling of one another; & what about all those times in the Bible when God pulled his people aside from the normal situations of life, for a significant period of time, to teach them knew things about following him (Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses and their families; individuals like Samuel, David, Elijah; the nation of Israel on numerous occasions; Jesus and the disciples always heading off on wilderness expeditions with teaching in mind; Paul & John just to name a few)!
So then, which will it be for us?
A holiday from Jesus … or … a holiday full of Jesus?
Michael
Saturday, February 5, 2011
The Great Commission – Part II
It seems that the first step in carrying this out is to work out whether a person is already a follower of Jesus or not. How can you tell? Relationship, relationship, relationship; working this out begins and ends with relationship. So I guess we’re going to need to be friendly with people we meet: friendly, welcoming, caring, kind, and interested in them more than ourselves.
In any relationship it comes out very quickly where people stand with Jesus. So from there, either we get to share the good news and have the privilege of lovingly introducing them to the Savior of the world or we get to share in our common faith together and encourage one another to follow Jesus with all our hearts.
Michael
Thursday, February 3, 2011
The Great Commission
I preached on the Great Commission 4 times last Sunday. The Great Commission is another name for Matthew 28:16-20, which says
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I spoke about living this out, which begs the question: how we are planning to do this with everyone we meet while we are away?
Any ideas? Tomorrow I’ll post my thoughts so far.
Michael
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I spoke about living this out, which begs the question: how we are planning to do this with everyone we meet while we are away?
Any ideas? Tomorrow I’ll post my thoughts so far.
Michael
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